Comments on: Quick Takes – 9/20/2008 http://www.rayfowler.org/2008/09/20/quick-takes-9-20-2008/ Thoughts on God and life from a Christian perspective Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:51:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ray Fowler http://www.rayfowler.org/2008/09/20/quick-takes-9-20-2008/#comment-5852 Ray Fowler Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:03:21 +0000 http://www.rayfowler.org/2008/09/20/quick-takes-9-20-2008/#comment-5852 <b>Jordan</b> - I believe that's the point of Gilbert's post. There are two conversations going on about the gospel. One asks the question, "What must I do to be saved?" The other asks the question, "What are the implications of Christ's coming for the whole world?" For example, in your comment above, you address the wider implications of the gospel in personal sanctification and change in society. Jordan – I believe that’s the point of Gilbert’s post. There are two conversations going on about the gospel. One asks the question, “What must I do to be saved?” The other asks the question, “What are the implications of Christ’s coming for the whole world?” For example, in your comment above, you address the wider implications of the gospel in personal sanctification and change in society.

]]> By: jordan http://www.rayfowler.org/2008/09/20/quick-takes-9-20-2008/#comment-5828 jordan Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:28:48 +0000 http://www.rayfowler.org/2008/09/20/quick-takes-9-20-2008/#comment-5828 As to the two Gospel conversations, if the Gospel doesn't stop with individual conversion but also leads to that persons sanctification (promised in Rom 8 ) and we exist within the society, shouldn't it have societal implications. Redemption and Lift is a true principal. Compare Kenya vs. Korea. Both were equally poor. Both had mass conversions. Kenya stopped at the individual while believers in Korea impacted society with hospitals, schools, etc. South Korea is now extremely profitable and the most missional country on the planet. It's both. As to the two Gospel conversations, if the Gospel doesn’t stop with individual conversion but also leads to that persons sanctification (promised in Rom 8 ) and we exist within the society, shouldn’t it have societal implications. Redemption and Lift is a true principal.

Compare Kenya vs. Korea. Both were equally poor. Both had mass conversions. Kenya stopped at the individual while believers in Korea impacted society with hospitals, schools, etc. South Korea is now extremely profitable and the most missional country on the planet.

It’s both.

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