are you not saying all of the above because you stayed with your girlfriend before marriage. please abstain from deviating the children of God. i stay with my girlfriend and we’re not married and strongly believe that is wrong and we’re going to fix that by separating. it is difficult to stay with a woman and lie to yourself that you’ll abstain,the solution is simple repent, stop immediately and prepare yourself for marriage.

Allow me to introduce myself.I am a Messianic Jew and devout bible student.Before we begin let us define what SIN is biblicaly speaking.In 1 John 3:4 “Sin is Breaking YHVH’s Law”.Now does it state which “Law” ie Ceremonial,Moral,Ect?Answer,No.It says YHVH’s Laws period.So one MUST refer to the ORIGINAL LAWS ie The Old Testament.Let us remember that in 1st century Judea the “Brit Chadashah”(Renewed Covenanat)Or New Testament was not written.Let us refer to what Yeshua(Jesus real Hebrew Name) called “Scripture”.He said in Matthew 5:17-18 that the Torah(Law) and the Ketuphim(Prophets) were Scripture and untill heaven and earth cease to exhist that NOTHING shall be changed from the Law or Prophets.In the Torah(Law) we are specificly PROHIBITED from Adding too or removing any commandment from the Law of YHVH(Deut.4:2,Deut.12:32)In Daniel chapter 7 we read that the spirit of Anti Messiah will think to change the LAW of YHVH and His Times.We in Judaism are taught that if any Prophet or Teacher of Scripture attempts to add too or takes away from YHVH’s Commandments is a False Prophet and should be stoned(Deut.13 is dedicated to this issue)

I will say that this posting has lacked the base fundamental doctrine of the protestant view of SOL SCRIPTURA(Scripture only) and has been bequethed with the “Traditional View”.This is my issue with this posting.For you to call something “SIN” there must be a CLEAR prohabition in the Bible against the subject matter you are dealing with.I will say I have searched the Scripture and have for myself not found ANY Clear Prohabition against living in the same house prior to marriage but rather on the contrary.Haddasah(Esther a Matrain Saint/Book of Esther) lived in King Ahasuerus’s Palace(House) and had MANY private mettings with him over a 6 month time.In fact there is an entire Jewish Festival of Purim That is Dedicated to this Saintly Woman of Jewish History.She Lived under the same roof of her beloved before marriage while abstaining from fornication.

The problem with a “Traditional View” is that it is “Traditional” And not Commandment driven.This is the same issue Yeshua delt with with the Scribes and Pharisees in his day.They held their “Traditional Views” Higher than the Commandments of YHVH.And we see in Matthew 23 Yeshua SERIOUSLY rebuked them for such practices going as far as calling them such names as”Hypocrites”"Brood of vipers”Sons of Lucifer”And “White washed tombs filled with dead mens bones”.So Yeshua had much contempt for “Traditional Views” being taken over the Commandments of YHVH.

My question is how can you point a finger of judgment and call something “Sin” when there is NO clear Prohabition there of when in all reality do you Keep and Honor the Sabbath YHVH Declaired as the Sabbath in Creation and in Exodus 20 or how about the feast of YHVH in Lev 23 which again deals with the weekly Sabbath.When YHVH repeats himself we should Harken and Listen as obediant Children.Do you abstain from unclean foods as mentioned in Lev 11?Do you wear Tassles on the 4 corners of your garments as a reminder to keep the Commandments of YHVH your G-d as commanded in Numbers 15:38? These my Brother are Clear Commandments and not obeying is as 1 John 3:4 declairs is SIN.

I have seen you in this thread uphold a detramental “Traditional view” that has in no doubt crushed people with your approval of rejection of Marital blessing from a Pastor, Evangelist, or Rabbi due to this issue and has not built up believers but rather crushed them.I speak from Expreiance of living with my Betrothed prior to marriage while remaining abstanant untill marriage and it can be done.Let me remind you that Paul himself said I can do ALL things through Messiah that gives me strength Phil.4:13.The problem is you place such Emphasis on “Appearance” and disregard the simple fact that every matter of Judgment MUST be established on the testimony of 2-3 witnesses and with out those witnesses your “Judgment” is unrighteous and falls on the face of Hypocricy.My question is simple.”Appearance” as a socialigical term changes with in the culture.Who are you to judge what is evil and what is good when you yourself if you forsake the few examples I gave above and while yet judge others of “SIN” when you yourself live daily in it when you do not wear the garments YHVH commanded and eat the Meats YHVH declaired as abominations as well as have your pagan sunday over the biblical sabbath?I will refer you to Hebrews 10:26-28.

Your “Traditional views” flies in the face of Disrespect of YHVH.Yet you Unrighteously Judge based upon scocialogical polls rather than the individual.In the Old Testament did YHVH judge Israel on a scocialogical poll or on them individually and corpotately?The 4th of the Ten Commandments is clear individuals shall be judged not based on polls or riff raff but rather on the individual.No 2 scenarios are alike just because one does this does not mean the other will fall suit.I will leave you to these things to ponder on and welcome any who care to eat from a tree that is truly about Scripture Only and not the “Traditional View” that our Messiah Yeshua Detested.Shalom and blessings In Yeshua’s Mighty name Selah!and HalleluYAH!